it started here in detroit. right here in detroit. everybody -- [inaudible] some of us have a little place upnorth. the middle class. [inaudible] middle class. middle class. >> host: is there anything people like george mcgreger did wrong over the years that lead to this? >> guest: absolutely. i think there's at love blame to go around. the unions are not blameless. there was a time they had a lot of extras going on. i mean, actually george described weren't able to use in the film he described a program called the homework hotline. every employee's child could call and get help with a homework. that's really nice. but that costs money. and the vacation days, sick leave, there were people in the path that did fall down on the job. it was too hard to fire people. there was a time for sure it was too bloated. with management, you know, taking sort of producing sub par cars and paying themselves too much. overall the industry behaved as a cartel at times. refusing to make small cars, saying you could never make money on small cars. honda